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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 04:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your links in your main piece.</description>
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		<title>By: letterbyletter</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>letterbyletter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m posting the update I just put in the body copy, here as well: 

@Jonathan, @ Mike. 

I do believe there should be restrictions on abortion. And I will repeat: I am against abortion. But my point here was NOT to talk about my position on abortion, so much as my position on how Roe v. Wade and other related political legislation fits into one’s political choices. This was not my attempt at an all-inclusive presentation of my full beliefs on abortion. Something that I’m not sure I could even do now or in this forum. I will repeat, though, I do not believe in abortion.

I think my underlying belief in the fact that nothing gets truly done without being done on the micro level informs what I’m trying to express--there are more effective ways to address abortion than by voting R on a ballot every few years.

I knew a family growing up that renovated a portion of their house to make room for pregnant women to live there, providing options for women who had no family or money to turn to in their crisis. I think they were effective.

My personal conviction against abortion is informing my rather pragmatic position of being “pro-choice.” [Again, I’ll also reiterate: I don’t think this definition is helpful or even necessarily accurate, but it’s my way of working within an issue that’s been binary to the exclusion of actually talking about how it pertains to our vote]. Because, while the abortion rate has fallen somewhat in the past few years, the trend line overall has been steadily increasing. And the U.S. still has one of the highest teen-pregnancy rates in the developed world with teen birth rates on the rise.

Which, to me, suggests a bigger problem than legislation can fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m posting the update I just put in the body copy, here as well: </p>
<p>@Jonathan, @ Mike. </p>
<p>I do believe there should be restrictions on abortion. And I will repeat: I am against abortion. But my point here was NOT to talk about my position on abortion, so much as my position on how Roe v. Wade and other related political legislation fits into one’s political choices. This was not my attempt at an all-inclusive presentation of my full beliefs on abortion. Something that I’m not sure I could even do now or in this forum. I will repeat, though, I do not believe in abortion.</p>
<p>I think my underlying belief in the fact that nothing gets truly done without being done on the micro level informs what I’m trying to express&#8211;there are more effective ways to address abortion than by voting R on a ballot every few years.</p>
<p>I knew a family growing up that renovated a portion of their house to make room for pregnant women to live there, providing options for women who had no family or money to turn to in their crisis. I think they were effective.</p>
<p>My personal conviction against abortion is informing my rather pragmatic position of being “pro-choice.” [Again, I’ll also reiterate: I don’t think this definition is helpful or even necessarily accurate, but it’s my way of working within an issue that’s been binary to the exclusion of actually talking about how it pertains to our vote]. Because, while the abortion rate has fallen somewhat in the past few years, the trend line overall has been steadily increasing. And the U.S. still has one of the highest teen-pregnancy rates in the developed world with teen birth rates on the rise.</p>
<p>Which, to me, suggests a bigger problem than legislation can fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phrases like &quot;Drill baby drill,&quot; &quot;These colors don&#039;t run,&quot; and &quot;USA! USA! USA!&quot; have as much to do with an honest discussion of energy independence, foreign policy and patriotism as &quot;So, laissez faire on killing babies but not the economy. Got it&quot; has to do with an honest discussion of abortion. Meaning, not much. It&#039;s a careless response that does more to divide people then bring them together. And what it says to me - a person that agrees with the post - is A) my side of the argument isn&#039;t worth more than two quick sentences and B) if I don&#039;t agree with you, I am literally in league with &quot;baby killers.&quot;

Now tell me, does that sound like a good way to start a conversation? Just imagine doing that to an actual stranger on the street. Someone you don&#039;t know, wearing a pro-Obama t-shirt or something, just going up to them and saying, &quot;Hey baby-killer! Guess your money&#039;s more important than not killing babies!&quot; And then walking away. Does that sound civil or decent to you?

I don&#039;t care if you disagree with me or anyone else, but I do care about how you express your views. So, while I appreciate your follow-up comment - the one that contained actual, fully-formed arguments - the way you started things off was uncalled for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phrases like &#8220;Drill baby drill,&#8221; &#8220;These colors don&#8217;t run,&#8221; and &#8220;USA! USA! USA!&#8221; have as much to do with an honest discussion of energy independence, foreign policy and patriotism as &#8220;So, laissez faire on killing babies but not the economy. Got it&#8221; has to do with an honest discussion of abortion. Meaning, not much. It&#8217;s a careless response that does more to divide people then bring them together. And what it says to me &#8211; a person that agrees with the post &#8211; is A) my side of the argument isn&#8217;t worth more than two quick sentences and B) if I don&#8217;t agree with you, I am literally in league with &#8220;baby killers.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now tell me, does that sound like a good way to start a conversation? Just imagine doing that to an actual stranger on the street. Someone you don&#8217;t know, wearing a pro-Obama t-shirt or something, just going up to them and saying, &#8220;Hey baby-killer! Guess your money&#8217;s more important than not killing babies!&#8221; And then walking away. Does that sound civil or decent to you?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care if you disagree with me or anyone else, but I do care about how you express your views. So, while I appreciate your follow-up comment &#8211; the one that contained actual, fully-formed arguments &#8211; the way you started things off was uncalled for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;OR, and this is totally crazy I know, you can instead respond with a fully-formed argument like an adult, and save the clever comebacks for youth group.&quot;

Seriously?  Fully formed arguments?

What does drilling, NRA, or Mulsims have to do with abortion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;OR, and this is totally crazy I know, you can instead respond with a fully-formed argument like an adult, and save the clever comebacks for youth group.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?  Fully formed arguments?</p>
<p>What does drilling, NRA, or Mulsims have to do with abortion?</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you posted this, Amber, it&#039;s great.

Mike: If you&#039;re looking for more snappy and thoughtless phrases you can spout out whenever you&#039;re met with someone that disagrees with your nuanceless grasp of the issues, try these out:

-When someone thinks we should create a whole new source of jobs via research into and implementation of green energy infrastructures, you go look them right in the eye and say, &quot;DRILL BABY DRILL!&quot; Their expression of pity and mournful shaking of the head indicates you won the conversation!

-If someone suggests that we avoid getting further entrenched in an endless, pointless war, and instead plan for a responsible withdrawal that takes into account the situation on the ground, tell them &quot;These colors DON&#039;T RUN!&quot; Also, given your interlocutor&#039;s position on war, odds are they are not a member of the NRA, so you can go ahead a wave any firearms you own in their face to punctuate your point, secure in the knowledge that they&#039;re not similarly armed.

-Whenever you are simply overcome by differing opinions that are better articulated and more thought out than yours, just start screaming &quot;USA! USA! USA!&quot; That should do it. You may also want to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a radical Muslim terrorist.

OR, and this is totally crazy I know, you can instead respond with a fully-formed argument like an adult, and save the clever comebacks for youth group. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you posted this, Amber, it&#8217;s great.</p>
<p>Mike: If you&#8217;re looking for more snappy and thoughtless phrases you can spout out whenever you&#8217;re met with someone that disagrees with your nuanceless grasp of the issues, try these out:</p>
<p>-When someone thinks we should create a whole new source of jobs via research into and implementation of green energy infrastructures, you go look them right in the eye and say, &#8220;DRILL BABY DRILL!&#8221; Their expression of pity and mournful shaking of the head indicates you won the conversation!</p>
<p>-If someone suggests that we avoid getting further entrenched in an endless, pointless war, and instead plan for a responsible withdrawal that takes into account the situation on the ground, tell them &#8220;These colors DON&#8217;T RUN!&#8221; Also, given your interlocutor&#8217;s position on war, odds are they are not a member of the NRA, so you can go ahead a wave any firearms you own in their face to punctuate your point, secure in the knowledge that they&#8217;re not similarly armed.</p>
<p>-Whenever you are simply overcome by differing opinions that are better articulated and more thought out than yours, just start screaming &#8220;USA! USA! USA!&#8221; That should do it. You may also want to accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a radical Muslim terrorist.</p>
<p>OR, and this is totally crazy I know, you can instead respond with a fully-formed argument like an adult, and save the clever comebacks for youth group. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you missed my point too.  Presidential candidates can encourage pro-life practices by 1) nominating the appropriate judges, 2) restricting federal funding on abortions, and 3) putting regulations on partial birth abortions.  Being pro-life is not necessarily about legislating Roe away.

Finally, your comment that &quot;making abortion a key pivot issue on whether you vote D or R is distracting and irrelevant&quot; is quite alarming.  Certainly I don&#039;t have to agree with your position on Iraq, the economy, and health care.  But to call it irrelevant and distracting in making a voting choice between R and D shows a fundamental disrespect for those who believe it is an important issue.  I don&#039;t agree with granting habeas to foreign terrorists out of the States, but it is relevant and important.  How much more relevant is the statistic that 10 million less people will live in our country in the next ten years because of anti-life policies like late term abortion and easy access to federal funding on abortion (and judges upholding those policies) - something the candidates CAN be involved with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you missed my point too.  Presidential candidates can encourage pro-life practices by 1) nominating the appropriate judges, 2) restricting federal funding on abortions, and 3) putting regulations on partial birth abortions.  Being pro-life is not necessarily about legislating Roe away.</p>
<p>Finally, your comment that &#8220;making abortion a key pivot issue on whether you vote D or R is distracting and irrelevant&#8221; is quite alarming.  Certainly I don&#8217;t have to agree with your position on Iraq, the economy, and health care.  But to call it irrelevant and distracting in making a voting choice between R and D shows a fundamental disrespect for those who believe it is an important issue.  I don&#8217;t agree with granting habeas to foreign terrorists out of the States, but it is relevant and important.  How much more relevant is the statistic that 10 million less people will live in our country in the next ten years because of anti-life policies like late term abortion and easy access to federal funding on abortion (and judges upholding those policies) &#8211; something the candidates CAN be involved with.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mike If that&#039;s your conclusion, I believe you&#039;ve missed my point. I don&#039;t believe abortion is something that will ever be legislated away, so conversation about presidential candidates needs to create new space for other issues. Just because a candidate is &quot;pro-life&quot; doesn&#039;t mean they will actually accomplish any legislative measures to decrease abortions. Relatedly, we need to be looking at alternative means of addressing abortion in our country (e.g. how we approach unwanted pregnancy and our support of low-income families).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mike If that&#8217;s your conclusion, I believe you&#8217;ve missed my point. I don&#8217;t believe abortion is something that will ever be legislated away, so conversation about presidential candidates needs to create new space for other issues. Just because a candidate is &#8220;pro-life&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean they will actually accomplish any legislative measures to decrease abortions. Relatedly, we need to be looking at alternative means of addressing abortion in our country (e.g. how we approach unwanted pregnancy and our support of low-income families).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, laissez faire on killing babies but not the economy. Got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, laissez faire on killing babies but not the economy. Got it.</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://letterbyletter.wordpress.com/2008/10/05/what-i-think/#comment-206</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hear, hear...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hear, hear&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brilliant Amber</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brilliant Amber</p>
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